Colwyn Hollands

Llandrillo yn Rhos and Bettws yn Rhos-Hollands and Descendants by Brian Holland

Until 1935 registrations for the parishes of Llandrillo, Bettws, Llanelian and Abergele were recorded at Conwy. Between 1935 and 1974 these parishes were grouped into an area called Aled; after 1975 they were registered at Colwyn.

The majority of the Hollands living in these two parishes between 1750 and 1950 can be traced back to Thomas Holland and Jane Salisbury of Cae Alen, Gyffin. In his will Thomas refers to his son Robert of Tan Yr Allt, Llandrillo, and from parish records, census returns and birth, marriage and death records it is possible to trace his descendants. By the twentieth century there were descendents living in the USA, Liverpool, Llandudno and Bettws. At the time of writing (September 2010) there are no identified surviving male descendants. The last surviving male identified was Hugh Bradley Holland who died in 2004 in Birkenhead but there are no known male heirs. There is one known surviving female, Mary Edwards, currently living in Ruthin, who was the only daughter of Thomas Lloyd Holland of Bettws.

Robert Holland b1736, d1793.

Robert was the son of Thomas Holland and Jane Salisbury of Cae Alen, Gyffin Parish, Caernarfonshire, and was the grandson of Roger Holland of Bwlch of the same Parish. Robert married Ellinor Lloyd in 1768 (Hayes, Llansanfriad PR). Although he was the eldest son, he did not inherit Cae Alen but instead settled in Tan Yr Allt, Llandrillo. It is possible he acquired this property by marriage. From the Llandrillo PR entries they had three children, Thomas b 1773, Elizabeth b 1777, d1778 and Elizabeth b1781, d1811. There is a burial for Robert Holland in 1803 but this can’t be this Robert as his wife’s burial is recorded in the PR as July 26 1793, widow of Robert Holland of Moechdr. There is a small gravestone in the Llandrillo churchyard which records the death of Robert Holland in 1793 so it is reasonable to assume that husband and wife died in the same year.

Thomas ap Robert Holland, b1773, d1836.

Thomas married Mary Williams in 1798, (Bettws PR). They settled at Penfordd Deg in Bettws and from the PR their children were Robert b1799, Hugh b 1801, d1822, Jane b1805, Ellen b1807, Thomas b1809, Elizabeth b1813 and Eliza b1827. Thomas senior’s occupation is listed as Farmer. Thomas Junior married Sarah and they had one child Mary Elizabeth b1855, d 1856. There is a gravestone in the Bettws churchyard that records their deaths.

Thomas died in 1879 and Sarah in 1881. It would seem that Thomas senior and Mary lived all their married life at Penfordd Deg, their deaths and that of their son Hugh are recorded on a gravestone in the churchyard (see above). Their eldest son Robert was the only one of their children to produce an extended family.

Robert ap Thomas ap Robert, b1799, d1871.

Robert’s birth is recorded in the Bettws PR as 1799, son of Thomas and Mary of Penfordd Deg. He married Phoebe Lloyd (b1803) of Llanelian in 1825 (Hayes). From the census returns of 1841&1851 we can deduce that they had eight children: Thomas b 1825 Llanelian; Elizabeth b 1829, Llanelian; John b 1830, Llanelien; Mary b 1833, Robert, b1835, Llanelian; Elizabeth b 1837, Llanelien; Phoebe b 1841, Bettws; Hugh b 1844, Bettws. In 1841 and 1851 they were living at Fron Tai, Bettws, and Robert’s occupation was given as Lime-Burner. There is no record of either Robert or Phoebe in the 1861 census. In 1871 Phoebe and Elizabeth were living at Frontar, Bettws, which indicates that Robert was deceased. There is a death for Robert Holland in the 1871 BMD index so it is reasonable to assume that this was him. Robert’s four sons all had families with descendants extending into the twentieth century. Thomas and John both emigrated to America and had families there. Robert married twice and by his second wife had several children a number of whom settled in the Liverpool area. The descendents of Hugh continued to live in Bettws and continued as lime merchants.

Thomas ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert b 1825 and John ap Thomas ap Robert, b 1830. USA (see below).

From the USA census returns and information via ancestry.co.uk both Thomas and John emigrated to America and settled initially in Dogesville, Wisconsin, Iowa. Both were married and had children but from research so far there are no known surviving male descendents. Thomas ap Robert married Mary of North Wales and they had six children, Robert b 1862, d1932; Hugh b1864; Phoebe; John b 1869, Eliza and Mary. It is interesting that all these names are the same as Thomas’s uncles and aunts. The eldest son Robert married Mary Kazia and they had two children, Robert b1902, d1930 without any known issue, and Gwendolyn. His son John married Cora Tyler in 1891 and they had three children Audrey, Edna and Stanley. Stanley married Lois Reynolds in 1903 and they had two daughters Claire and Sharon. There is documentation in Ruthin archives that a Stanley Holland of the USA attempted to trace a relative, Peter Holland who he believed was resident in Llandudno. In fact, Peter was a first cousin of his father John. (See below). John ap Robert married Anne Williams of N Wales and they had three children, John b1861, Mary b 1863 and Phoebe b1866, again all names from his immediate ancestors. His son John married Mary; they moved to Bangor, Lacrosse Wisconsin, there are no known children from this marriage. Phoebe married Hayle Roberts.

We don’t know the precise date that Thomas and Robert emigrated to America, but as their first children were born in 1861 and 1862 respectively it is possible it was shortly before this.

Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert, b1835, d1911.

Robert appears to have had an eventful life having been married twice and having had a number of occupations. He was born in Llanelien in 1835 and married Alice Morris of Cwm, Flintshire, in 1859. In the 1861 census they were living with Alice’s parents at Bodeugan, Glanclwyd with their first child Thomas who was born in 1860 at Cwm, Flintshire, at this time Robert’s occupation was listed as carter. In 1871 they were living at Bronberllan, Uwchglan, St Asaph with their sons Thomas and John (b 1862) and their servant Elizabeth Ellis. Alice died in the last quarter of 1871(11b 532). There is a puzzle regarding the death of Alice in 1871 as we know that from the 1891 census that Robert had a son John b1870 by his second wife Susanah. However, there is no record of the marriage of Robert and Susanah and the birth of their first son John was omitted from the 1881 census. This has the elements of a scandal and it is interesting that in 1881 Thomas was living with his maternal grandparents and John was a servant for Thomas Edward of Maesadda, Eglwys Fach. Neither Thomas nor John from his first marriage appears to have married.

In 1881 Thomas was an agricultural Labourer for Edward Morris of Glan Clwyd who may have been related from his mother’s side of the family. His death is recorded in 1891. John was a Farm Labourer and he appears as a single person in the censuses of 1891,1901 and 1911 on different farms in Pentre, Cwm village, Caernarvonshire, Glas Yn Bettws, Bettws Yn Rhos and finally for John Morris at Pentre Du, Llysfaen, Colwyn Bay. This latter employer may have been a relative on his mother’s side. He died in 1913. From the Census returns we can identify eight children born from Robert’s second marriage to Susanah. In the 1881 census she is listed as his wife although there is a possibility that they were never legally married, she was born in Llangerniew in 1843 but as there is no marriage entry we are unable to find a surname. If the 1891census is correct then they had their first child John before the death of Robert’s first wife Alice.

Their children were John b1870 Dyserth, Phoebe b1873 Dyserth, Robert b1875 Penmaenmawr, Hugh b1878 Llanddulas, Alice b1880 Denbighshire, Richard b 1882 Eglwys Fach, Peter b1883 Eglwys Fach and Sarah b1885 Eglwys Fach. In 1881 Robert was managing a farm of 93 acres at Llindir, Eglwys Bach, his occupation being described as carter and servant. In 1891 he was an agricultural labourer at Anchor, Bryn Crafnant, Trefriw. In 1901 he was a horse-trainer being resident at 56, Shop, Mostyn Street, Llandudno and in 1911 aged 75 he was listed as an agricultural labourer being resident at 139 Mostyn St, Llandudno. Although both Robert and Susanah were both still alive at the time of the 1911 census Robert died later that same year. Several of Robert’s male descendants appear to have migrated to the Liverpool area presumably in search of work.

John ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland, b1870.

From the1911 census we know that he was a boarder at 32 King’s Road, Bootle, along with his wife Jane whose place of birth was given as Llanelltyd, Merionethshire. According to the entry they had been married 12 years which puts the date of their marriage as 1898 or 1899. There is a marriage entry for John Holland in 1898 AMJ at Dolgelly, (11b 652) to Jane Lloyd in 1898. As Llanelltyd is in close proximity to Dolgelly we can assume that this is the correct entry. John’s birth place was given as Dyserth and his occupation was Stevedore. In the 1901 census John Holland, b1868, and Jane Holland, b1866, were living at the Town Hall Caretaker’s House, Market Street, Newton-in-Makerfield, Warrington, where John was employed as the Town Hall Caretaker. John’s place of birth was given as Trefriw district, and Jane as Dolgelly, Merionith. In 1939 they were living at 59 Keble Road, Bootle, John’s occupation was recorded as Retired Stevedore. There is no evidence of any children issuing from the marriage.

Robert ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland b1875, d1940.

We know from the 1881 census that Robert was born in Penmaenmawr in 1875. In 1911 he was in service as a Domestic-Coachman in the employ of Owen Jones at Glan Beuno near Caernarvon. In 1914, 2nd May, there is a marriage recorded between Robert Holland and Jane Jones at Caernarvon (11b749) and it seems likely that it was this Robert. The marriage certificate confirms that this was Robert ap Robert (deceased) describing the father’s occupation as Farm-bailiff. At the time of the marriage Robert was resident at 42 Keble Rd, Bootle whilst his wife was resident at Llys Alun, Cwm Y Glo, Caernarvon. From the BMD entries there were two sons born to Holland with a mother’s maiden name Jones in close proximity to the marriage. They were Thomas J Holland b 1914 OND, (11b 693) and David W Holland b 1919 OND (11b 536) both registered at St Asaph.

It seems quite likely that these were the sons of Robert and suggests Robert and Jane moved back to N Wales to have their family. There are no marriages in the area that can be attributed to either Thomas or David, so either they moved away from the area, possibly to Liverpool where Robert’s brothers John and Richard were by then living. At the time of Robert’s marriage all three brothers were living in Bootle. This appears to be confirmed in the case of Thomas as in the 1939 census there is an entry for Thomas J Holland, b 7th September, living at 7 Queens street Bootle, together with his wife Mary, b 4th January, 1916. The only marriage in the vicinity with a compatible timescale was between Thomas J Holland and Mary Horn in 1936, at Crosby (8B/1599). There were no births to Holland with MMN Horn in the records. Thomas’s occupation was Institution Ward-master. Both Thomas and David were eligible for war duty which may account for them being untraceable.

There was a death in 1944 of Thomas J Holland, age 30, in the record for Haslington, Lancashire (8E/95), also the war records show that Thomas J Holland, an Able-Seaman was lost in the sinking of the Reaper in 1944. It seems probable that this was Thomas J ap Robert. In 1939 D W Holland, b 28th September, 1919, a single man, was living at 128 Edge Lane, Droylsten, Manchester. Also, at the address were, James Holland, b1897, and Miriam Holland, b1897, both married. They were possibly husband and wife but there is no record of a marriage. Also, resident was Gerttrude Holland, b 17th Feb 1922 and Geoffrey Holland, b 5th April b1926. There is a birth recorded at St Asaph in 1922 for Gertrude Holland, MMN Jones. It seems likely that she was issue of Robert and Jane and it would appear that she was at the Droylsten address with her brother. It has so far been impossible to establish the relationship with James and William Holland at that address. There are two other births to Holland and Jones at St Asaph during this period. Vera Holland, b1921(11B/505), she appears to have died in 1923 (11B/353). Also, Kenneth Holland, b 1923 (11B/467) of whom there is no further trace. Robert’s death is recorded in Aled district records in 1940. It is possible that there are descendants of Robert still living but so far efforts to trace them have been unfruitful.

Hugh ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland b 1878, d1959.

Hugh was born at Rhyd Y Foel, Bettws in 1878. He married Anne Edith Bradley of Rhuddlan in Q1of 1909 (St Asaph 11B/372). In the 1911 census his address is given as Spring Gardens, St Asaph, and his occupation was Gardener. They had one known son Hugh Bradley Holland, b1909, Q3. In 1939 Hugh, b15th August, 1877, and Annie E Holland, b 10th August 1872, were living at 19 Devonshire Road, Birkenhead where Hugh was employed as a Wharf-labourer. Presumably they moved as a family sometime between 1911 and 1939. There are no further births recorded. Hugh died 1n 1959 (Wallesey10A/836) and Anne E Holland in 1972 (Birkenhead 10A/82).

Hugh Bradley ap Hugh ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland, b1909, d2004.

His birth is recorded at St Asaph in Q3 1909 (11B/308). He moved to Birkenhead where in 1939 he was living at 32 Dingle Road as a single man, employed as a Shop-porter. In 1956 he married Florence A Phipps at Birkenhead (10A/143), she was born in Montgomeryshire in 1913. There are no known children issuing from this marriage. Hugh Bradley Holland’s death is recorded at Birkenhead in 2004 (E16C/119), and Florence Holland at Wallasey in 1991 (391/37/1181).

Richard ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland b1882.

According to the 1901 census Richard was born in 1882 at Eglwys Fach; however, his birth is registered in 1881 in the Llanrwst records (11B/359). In 1901 he was living at home and working as a Butcher’s-carter. He married Susanah Clarke in 1910 at Conwy; she was born in Rhewl, Ruthin in 1884. In 1901 she was a servant in the household of Arthur Crump, marine engineer, Hoylake, West Kirby. In 1911 they were living at 46 Benedict St, Bootle and had a daughter Gwladys Myfanwy aged 5 months. From the West Derby BMD indexes, they had two further children, Susanah b 1913 (8B/667) and Joseph b1914 (8B973).

Joseph ap Richard ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland, b1914.

His birth is registered in 1914, Q3, West Derby as MCA Holland. The marriage between Joseph Holland and Evelyn Buckney of West Derby in 1935 (L’pool N 8B/696) cannot be Joseph ap Richard as the birth date for Joseph C Holland was given as 14th October 1907 in the 1939 census. There are other marriages for Joseph Holland in the appropriate period but no process for researching these without individual licences.

Peter ap Robert ap Robert ap Thomas ap Robert Holland b 1883, d1950.

According to the 1901 census Peter was born in 1884 at Eglwys Fach; however, his birth is registered in 1883, Q2, in the Llanrwst records (11B/388). In 1901 he was living with his parents at 56, Mostyn St, Llandudno and was employed as a joiner. He married Catherine Ellen Davies in 1907 OND, (11b 921) and in 1911 they were living as lodgers with their two children Robert, b1908 and Eric b1910 at 18 Kings Road Llandudno. Eric died in 1916 in Llandudno. They also had a son Hugh 451939 Peter Holland, b24th March, 1883, and Catherine Holland, b29th July, 1882, were living at 24 Vaughan Street, Llandudno along with Gwendoline M Holland, b23rd June, 1917, and Beatrice M Holland, b 25th July1922. Peter was employed as a Joiner.

Robert John ap Peter, b1909, d1986.

The 1911 census gives Robert’s birth as 1909, Llandudno; however, the only registered birth in the area is for Robert John Holland registered at Conway (11B/468) in 1908. Robert John Holland married Margaret Evans in 1934 OND, Conway (11b/1009). There are several births to Holland and Evans between 1934 and 1954 in Wales, however there is only one registered at Conwy, this being Peter W Holland, b1942, Q2 (11B/659). Robert J Holland died in 1986, (Conwy, ref Llanrhos Cemetery Old Section.

Peter W ap Robert John ap Peter Holland, b1942.

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Hugh ap Thomas ap Thomas ap Robert. B1843, d1903.

Hugh was the fourth son of Robert and Phoebe and was born at Bettws in 1843 (St Asaph 27/211). He married Margaret Catherine Williams in 1870 (St Asaph 11B/495), and in 1871 they were living with Margaret’s mother Grace Williams at The Shop, Rhyd Y Foel, Bettws.

Like his father Hugh’s occupation was Lime-merchant. In 1881 Hugh had been elevated to the head of the family and they were still living at the Shop, Rhyd Y Foel with his mother-in-law and three children, Sarah, b 1875; Phoebe, b 1877 and Thomas D, b 1880.

In addition to being a Lime-merchant he was also described as a farmer of 16 acres. We know from a gravestone in Bettws churchyard (left) that Margaret died in 1889, and in the 1891 census Hugh was living at Bodfaen, Ty Newydd, Bettws, there being no mention of his mother-in-law. His occupation was listed as Shopkeeper and farmer. He had two additional children, Emma G, b1883 and John Price Lloyd, b1887.

They also had another son, Price Lloyd Holland, b1884, d1885. (St Asaph). In 1901 all his children were still living with him except Emma G. According to his gravestone he died in 1903 and was buried with his wife Margaret who died in 1889. By 1911 John Price Lloyd Holland was the sole resident of Bodfaen, Ty Newydd.

John R Holland ap Thomas David ap Hugh ap Thomas ap Thomas ap Robert, b1913, d1918

No information.

John Price Lloyd Holland ap Hugh ap Thomas ap Thomas ap Robert, b1886, d1932.

John was born in 1886 at Bodfaen, Bettws (St Asaph 11B/344). (In 1911 he was the sole resident of the holding and his occupation was listed as Lime-merchant and Farmer, so it appears that he carried on the family business into the third generation. He married Edith Davies in 1912 at St Asaph (AMJ 11b/587). There were three children registered at St Asaph to Holland with mother’s maiden name Davies in the immediate years after the marriage, these being Thomas C Holland b1912, d1922, Hugh P Holland b 1913(11b585) and John R Holland b1919, and d1919. Hugh P Holland married Margaret D Hughes in 1938 (Aled OND 11b/740). There is one birth registered in the area to Holland with MMN Hughes, Sheila b1939 (Aled 11b 609).

Conclusion.

No male heirs have been identified with certainty that have survived to the present day; however, it has not been possible to pursue every possibility due to the prohibitive costs of obtaining birth and marriage certificates. There may be descendants of those who settled in Bootle, the most likely of these being Robert Holland’s sons Thomas and David. Also, Joseph Holland of West Derby and his wife Evelyn Buckney disappeared without trace. Jonathon Peter Holland, b1971, son of Peter W ap Robert ap Peter Holland of Llandudno, b1942 is a possible candidate for being a direct descendant of the Llangelynnin line other than those descended via Owen ap Owen ap Humphrey Holland b1891. It is also possible that there may have been male descendants in the American families that are unable to trace due to inaccessibility of complete census returns.

Hollands of Dolwyddelan (Dolyddelan)

The 1851 census records Ellis Holland of Llandrillo, Denbighshire, as being the head of the family living at Penisaf, Dolwyddelan, Llanrwst, his birth year is given as 1785. Examination of the Llandrillo Yn Rhos Parish Register reveals that there was no Ellis Holland born in 1785 or within 5years before or after that date. There is however an illegitimate birth in 1784 of an Ellis Ellis to Margaret Ellis, widow, of Llandrillo, but the name of the father is not given. The first reference to Ellis Holland in the Dolwyddelan PR’s is the birth of Hugh in 1807, April 27th, son of Ellis Holland and Judeth his wife. This son died in August of that year and was followed by the birth of Hugh in December 1808. Subsequent births include Robert b 1811, William b1816, Ellis b1822, and John b1824.

We can deduce from the census returns that Hugh’s wife Judith’s surname was Hughes. From the Census returns we can establish that for some reason between 1817 and 1841, Robert and William changed their surname to Ellis, whilst Ellis, Hugh and John retained the name Holland. Ellis’s son William and wife Jane had five children, four of whom took the name Ellis, their final child Ellis Holland Ellis took the surname Holland, presumably as had his grandfather, possibly to avoid being called Ellis Ellis. His children also adopted the Holland name. The fact that some of the descendants of Ellis Holland of Llandrillo took the name Ellis, whilst others took the name Holland, would imply that the unnamed father of Ellis Holland of Llandrillo was named Holland.

In 1784 the only likely contender living in Llandrillo was Robert Holland of Tan Yr Allt (see Llandrillo pedigree). He was descended from Humphrey Holland of Llangelynnin and moved to Llandrillo after his marriage to Ellinor Lloyd in 1768 (see Llandrillo and Bettws above). There was a family of Hollands living in Glanogwen in the 18th century which included an Ellis Holland who married Mary Jones in 1823, they had a son John in 1829 (Llanbeblig PR). There are no other Ellis Hollands in the Caernarvonshire PR’s available on findmypast in the period 1784 to 1841.

Hugh (Ellis) Holland, b1808, d1865 ap Ellis Holland ap Ellis Ellis (Holland).

According to the PR he was baptized Holland but later changed his name to Ellis. According to the 1851 census he was born in Penmachno, but the 1861 census states Dolwyddelan. His wife was named Ellen or Elinor Williams, they had four children: - Judith b1834, William b1836, according to the census return he did not marry, Ellin b1838 and Margaret b1840. Margaret married Robert Evans and had two daughters Jane and Elinor. There appear to be no surviving male descendants from this line.

Robert Holland Ellis b 1811.

He married Anne Williams in 1831. They had six children as follows: -

Three daughters Ellin b1834, Judeth b1836 and Ann b1841.

Robert R Ellis b1851. He married Catherine (Williams?) and they had four children William Ellis b1869, Anne b1874, Robert b1876 and Griffith b1880. There is no trace of them after the 1881 census.

William Ellis b1853. He Married Margaret??? B 1851 in the USA. They had two children, Margaret b1873 and William b1875. There is no trace of them after the 1881 census. As Margaret was born in the USA it is possible that they emigrated there. It is also conceivable that Robert and his family went with them as they also disappeared after the 1881 census.

Descendants of William Ellis b1816 ap Ellis Holland

1-William, b1849 ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. He was born in Llanfairfechan, there is no trace thereafter.

2 -Margaret, b1863 fch William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. There is no record of her birth, but she appears on the 1871 census return. IN 1881 she was a servant in the household of David Jones, a farmer of 50 acres in Dolwyddelan, there is no trace thereafter.

3 - John, b1866 ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. He married Lizzie and they had an adopted daughter, Gladys Roberts, b 1892. There is no evidence of any issue from the marriage.

4-Judith, b1868 fch William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. In 1891 she was working as a cook & domestic servant at Bryn Derwen, Melyn Y Coed, Llanrwst.

5 - Ellis Holland b1870, ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. He married Elizabeth Conlon of Colwyn in 1896. In1911 they were living in 7 Bryn Terrace, Pen Y Bryn, Old Colwyn with their children John b1898, Charles b1903, William Ellis b1907, Thomas b1909 and twins Margaret and Hugh b1911. Also, resident were: Priscilla Conlon, daughter, b1890, spinster, and Mary Ellen Conlon, daughter b1911. Priscilla was actually the sister of Elizabeth, and Mary Ellen possibly her illegitimate daughter. There was also Judith Holland with MMN Conlon b 1920, possibly a late child.

John, b1898 ap Ellis, ap William ap Ellis Holland. He married Lily Meredith in 1923, Q1, (Conway 11B/647), and they had three children registered to them at Conwy, Eric Holland b 1924 (11B/749), Marian b1923 (11B/712) and Marjorie b1926 (11B/716). In 1939 they were living at 19 First Avenue, Colwyn Bay, John, b 8th February, 1898 was a serving soldier on leave, and Lily, b 5th January, 1895 was a housewife. Living with them were Marion Holland, b 22nd January, 1923; Eric Holland, b 23rd June,1924 and two other unidentified children.

Eric b1924 ap John ap Ellis ap William ap Ellis Holland. He married Josephine N Frost in 1952 St Asaph (8A/938). There were children born to Holland and Frost but not in Wales. Certificates would be required to establish whether any of them were descendants of Eric ap Thomas.

Charles b1903 ap Ellis Holland ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland, b1903. He married Ethel Crutchley in 1933, Q1, (Conwy 11B/624), and they had a daughter June in 1933, Q3, Conwy 11B/614). There is no reference to them in the 1939 census.

William Ellis Holland b1907 ap Ellis Holland ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland. He married Doris M Jones in 1944. There are four children registered to Holland and Jones born in Colwyn between 1947 and 1976, it is debatable whether all of these are the issue of William Ellis Holland due to the timescale of 28 years between the marriage and the fourth birth. The details of these births and subsequent issue are not recorded here and would require BMD certificates to confirm their origin.

Thomas b1909 ap Ellis ap William Ellis ap Ellis Holland, He married Flora Willey in 1931 and they had four children, Derek Holland b1932 who possibly married Minnie Bennett in 1972, there are no children registered to Holland and Bennett. Donald Edward Holland b1943, d2004. Robert G Holland b1937, d1958, Thomas Holland b1936 (no trace)

Hugh Ellis Holland b1911, d1911 ap Ellis Holland ap Wliiam Ellis ap Ellis Holland. No information found.

Descendants of Ellis Holland ap Ellis Holland.

Ellis b1823, d1877 ap Ellis Holland. He married Catherine Richards in 1848, according to the 1871 census they were living at Pentre Bont, Dolwyddelan with six children as follows:

Ellis b1852, d1886 ap Ellis ap Ellis Holland, The Dolwyddelan PR records a burial for Ellis Holland age 34 in 1886, it seems reasonable to assume it was Ellis ap Ellis. There is no marriage recorded.

Catherine b1855 vch Ellis ap Ellis Holland, she appears to have married Robert Owen in 1875.

Robert b1858 ap Ellis ap Ellis Holland. He married Elizabeth Hannah Jones of Llanddoget in 1900 and they had five children, Gladys b 1903, Ellis and Cassie, twins, b 1906, Bessie b1909 and Lilian b 1907. Ellis probably married Catherine Roberts in 1935 (Llanrwst 11b 485). There were no children born to Holland within Wales with MMN Roberts within 15 years of their marriage. So far there is no trace of any descendants.

Margaret, b1862. There is no trace of her thereafter.

Judith, b 1866. There is a marriage of Judith Holland in 1892, Llanrwst, (11b 654) the name of the spouse is not given.

Jane, b1870. There is no trace of her thereafter.

Ellis senior died in 1877 and his wife Catherine in 1903.

Conclusion

So far there have been no surviving male heirs identified from the three sons of Ellis Holland of Llandrillo who adopted the surname Ellis. It is possible that there may be some surviving descendants in the USA or elsewhere in the UK; however, as Ellis is a fairly common surname it would take a lot of certificates to take the investigation any further. There are four possible surviving male heirs from the Holland descendants of Ellis Holland. Jason Brian Holland and his son Lewis Thomas Holland are living in Llanelly; Brian Holland and his son Mark Anthony Holland living in Colwyn Bay and Thomas Holland also living in Colwyn Bay.

If the assumption that Ellis Ellis (Holland) of Llandrillo was the illegitimate son of either Joseph Holland or Robert Holland then these are the first paternal line survivors of the Hollands of Llangelynnin or Gyffin that have been identified other than those descending from Owen ap Humphrey Holland of Llangelynnin. The DNA match in Ancestry DNA project gives credibility to this assumption.

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